An Interview with the Mother on November 25, 1962
SEHRA: The doctors say that when Amal’s kidney stone will come out, there will be a great deal of pain.
THE MOTHER: The doctors always say things like that. You then make a formation of fear and keep expecting the pain. And the pain comes even when it needn’t.
AMAL: I recently read the review of a book on heart-trouble. The reviewer says that unless one has the courage of a lion, the hide of a rhinoceros and the intelligence of a moron, this book will make one take as heart-trouble the slightest indigestion or touch of flatulence or twitch in the chest-muscles!
THE MOTHER: Yes, and even in the case of a real heart-attack, if one keeps calm and takes no notice of it and is unperturbed, the attack can pass off without any bad effect.
As for your stone, we have decided — haven’t we? — that there shall be no pain in its passing out. You wrote to me asking for such a result.
About physical pain, I can tell you one thing. If the consciousness is turned upward, the pain vanishes. If it is turned downward, it is felt and even increases. When one experiments with the upward and the downward turnings, one sees that although the pain may not be there at all or on the contrary is very great, the body in both cases is in exactly the same condition. It is the turn of the consciousness that makes all the difference.
I say “turned upward” because to turn towards the Divine is the best thing, but what can be said in general is that if the consciousness is turned away from the pain to one’s work or anything that interests one, there is the cessation of the pain.
And not only the pain but whatever damage there may be in the organ is set right much more easily when the consciousness is taken away from the trouble. Also, I may say that pain is not always indicative of great damage in the organ. The two are not balanced. The one can be without the other.
AMAL: What you have written out for me in your birthday present gives me hope again for my spiritual future. I was nearly losing hope.
THE MOTHER: You have a strong will that has carried you through a lot of things. Keep that will going.
AMAL: I can’t say I am a man of strong will, but the will in me can at times be made to act strongly — as it has been on many occasions in the past.
THE MOTHER: Yes, you must set this will, which is capable of strength, against all troubles physical and spiritual.
People who are intelligent find always a difficulty in going through troubles. Those who are not particularly intelligent have an easier time.
AMAL: You are always having a dig at me like that! Well, I’ll try to put to work the will which you refer to.
Now I want to ask you a general question. Is it you who have inspired the Chinese cease-fire?
THE MOTHER (crossing her lips with the index-fingers of her hands): Better not to pronounce anything. People see only a little way. The Divine sees much further. And there is a Truth which has to find its place on earth and create its own order. If you are quiet and allow it to come as it wants, things can be smooth. If there is resistance, there will be an amount of breaking. You may not know what exactly the Truth is like, but if you keep constantly the will that this Truth should be established, you will work for its arrival. If you start thinking one way or the other, you may not work in harmony with it. But if you preserve a calm consciousness and concentrate only on the victory of the Truth, you will help the Divine’s Will to manifest. And this is what you must do always instead of deciding for yourself. You have yourself a will which can be very strong: use it for the swift establishment of the Divine’s Truth.
Mother India, January 1975.
